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Pitch Counts – Weekend of March 12

This is going to be a new feature that I use to show you some questionable pitch counts that college pitchers are subjected to.

My Georgia Tech-Wake Forest game report will be up tonight, but for now, here are some questionable counts for this weekend so far, all in no particular order:

T.J. Walz, Kansas (2010): 116 at LSU
Taylor Jungmann, Texas (2011): 123 v. Iowa (seriously?)
Drew Pomeranz, Ole Miss (2010): 114 v. Louisville
Pat Dean, Boston College (2010): 121 at Miami
Gerrit Cole, UCLA (2011): 112 at Texas A&M-Corpus Christi
Sonny Gray, Vanderbilt (2011): 111 v. Ohio
Logan Darnell, Kentucky (2010): 114 v. IUPU-Fort Wayne
Barret Loux, Texas A&M (2010): 111 v. Washington State
Tyler Lyons, Oklahoma State (2010): 120 v. UMass
Aaron Meade, Missouri State (2010): 122 at Southern Miss
Tyler Anderson, Oregon (2011): 117 v. Seattle
Asher Wojciechowski, The Citadel (2010): 138 v. Western Carolina (this can’t be right)
Dallas Gallant, Houston (2010): 126 at UT Arlington
Jason Mitchell, UT Arlington (2010): 128 v. Houston
Adam Champion, Arkansas-Little Rock (2010): 119 v. South Alabama
Cole Cook, Pepperdine (2010): 111 v. East Carolina
Brandon Workman, Texas (2010): 110 v. Iowa
Trevor Bauer, UCLA (2011): 110 v. Mississippi State
Tyler Waldron, Oregon State (2010): 128 v. Portland (ugh…)
Daniel Bibona, UC Irvine (2010): 119 at Sacramento State
Rett Varner, UT Arlington (2010): 113 v. Sam Houston State

Anything over 110 is bad for this time of year, but anything over 120 is ridiculous. The Asher Wojciechowski line is the most ridiculous of the bunch, and I hope something is done to limit his pitch counts over his start or two.

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March 14, 2010 - Posted by | Pitch Counts

7 Comments »

  1. This is just crazy. This is why a hard slotting system will be bad because more HS arms for the college coaches to blow up.

    Comment by Jake H | March 14, 2010 | Reply

  2. 138??? That can’t be right. Unreal.

    Comment by William | March 14, 2010 | Reply

  3. gotta work those arms baby

    Comment by Jeffrey | March 14, 2010 | Reply

  4. Haven’t we come to the point where we are really uncertain what is a ‘bad’ pitch count for a college pitcher and the level of talent (effort required) they face?

    120 might not really mean much and there seems to be no data suggesting otherwise on the college level. It is more or less an issue of folks being conservative in estimates.

    For that reason, I find it misleading to say 120 is bad. More accurately, 120 is inadvisable on consensus. Pitching injuries are hard to narrow down because of all of the variables in play. It can be more difficult if folks like yourself put credence in pitching counts meaning something when it is difficult to show they actually do in that range.

    Even the Rice abuses pitchers meme is not altogether shown to be a true statement. Compare their pitchers performance to other Conference or WAC alumni and there is just nothing unusual about it. We really have very little clue as to whether a pitcher can or cannot handle a certain workload.

    Comment by Mike | March 15, 2010 | Reply

    • At this time of year, subjecting kids that are all under 22 to pitch counts upwards of 120 in their fourth start is ridiculous and not needed. I don’t claim to be an expert in biomechanics, and I know there isn’t a proven, 100% testable link between pitch counts and injuries, but just because it hasn’t quite met those requirements doesn’t mean there’s no link. It simply means that a link can’t be proven yet. Yet.

      If you look at how medicine has advanced over the years, we’ve seen numerous hunches become proven fact. It usually undergoes the pattern of not being an afterthought to being a thought in the backs of heads to being a hunch to being strongly suspected to being proven, and that’s where this is likely headed. We reached the point where we strongly suspect there is a link between high pitch counts and arm injuries, and I expect the next step to be taken as medicine advances.

      If these were 28-30 year old pitchers doing this with a long Spring Training buildup behind them, I’d be much less concerned. However, these are college kids with a lot of pressure on them, and they will tear up their arms before they say they’re hurt.

      I do understand your point, and I acknowledge its validity. Thanks for bringing it up. However, I’m simply pointing out that pitch counts this high this early in the season are inadvisable. I don’t think you could argue that Asher Wojciechowski’s pitch count this early is acceptable, nor is Tyler Thornburg’s, pointed out below. I’d limit my pitchers to 110 pitches at this point in the year, especially with conference play starting in many conferences either this past weekend or the coming weekend, with the additional pressures that brings.

      Comment by andyseiler | March 16, 2010 | Reply

  5. 138?!? That’s just for warmups! Baseball America says Tyler Thornburg of Charleston Southern did 158 against Florida!

    Comment by Ryan | March 15, 2010 | Reply

    • Yeah, saw that. Ridiculous.

      Comment by andyseiler | March 16, 2010 | Reply


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